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| At present (2004 to 2007 and continuing) I am concentrating
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- and on earning money and developing various research projects. I regret that I haven't added much to this site in the last few years or so - but see the paragraphs below for a pointer to "Families and How to Survive Them" and my January 2007 updates to house-test. I wrote many messages for the 1HouseholdDiscipline mailing list and some for its successor - Discipline and Harmony. (See the links at the top of this page.) Discussion on these lists is far more extensive and varied than on this site - so please join and read the archives of both lists, and contribute to Discipline and Harmony. Be sure to read the excellent site Taken In Hand: http://www.takeninhand.com . Robin Skynner's and John Cleese's book: Families and How
to Survive Them is rich, deep and detailed. I understand it
is highly regarded by quite a few professionals in the counselling and
psychotherapy fields. The book challenges a number of social
trends which too many people either haven't seen clearly, or have not
been sufficiently aware and critical of. New copies are here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0749314109
or second-hand ones can be found at http://www.bookfinder.com
. There is a whole section on discipline - in the parent-child
setting - which I think contains extremely valuable insights into the
man-woman situation. Here is something I have been thinking about for several
years: Women who never had a proper, strong, protective, caring,
consistent, loving father may, as adults, repeat old and no-longer
appropriate patterns of behaviour with their loving man. They may
fight, be rebellious and defend themselves desperately feared
abandonment, crushing of individuality etc. - which they really did
have to fight against, entirely alone, in order to survive their
father. I think such women often want and need discipline more
than others, and yet at the same time can kick hardest against
it! This can occur in spite of excellent high-level cognitive
commitment to overcome these problems. PMS and caffeine, of
course, makes it worse still! I think the section on discipline and the child's development
in "Families and How to Survive Them" gives important insights into
what such women missed out on, and are probably yearning for, in their
adult relationship with their loving man.
Please remember I have no qualifications or training as a counsellor or in any other field. - Mr Fondman |
Lurking dangers and why Domestic Discipline was denied and suppressed
Discipline is a means to an end - it is not an end in itself. To think of discipline as a goal in itself would lead to an obsessive, narrow focus which would probably degenerate into something dull, limiting or oppressive. Our goal here is harmony. Specifically, harmony in the lives of two adult, loving, committed partners. If they choose to bring children into this world, this harmony will encompass and support those children, from before they are born until they are well and truly adults themselves.
This site is concerned with male female relationships, typically with the female being most in need of correction and most keen to be playfully spanked. This is a subset of reality - and there are many other arrangements between men and women, including F->M and mutual discipline. Many of the principles discussed probably here also apply to relationships involving same-sex couples, but those scenarios are beyond my experience and are outside the scope of this site. I do not mean to imply that women in general are more "faulty" then men, or that men do not need or benefit from their loving woman's inspiration, leadership and correction.
Exactly what "harmony" entails will vary with the people concerned,but at a minimum, it would include:
We are complex and imperfect creatures. We must live our life the best we can without a full understanding of our nature or of the world in which we find ourselves. This investigation - which will culminate in a book entitled Fondly and Firmly - the Gentlemanly Art of Spanking the Woman you Love - is an attempt to understand a complex, perplexing, but sometimes essential aspect of life: that aspect of loving relationships which involves spanking and/or discipline.Good communication. Respect and trust. Support for each other and understanding each other's weaknesses. A vision for each other, and for each partner's own self, of being their best selves in all aspects of life. A rich life with as much security, calmness, hard work, creativity, play and socialising as can be managed. A fabulous love life - full of sex, sensuality, fantasy, playfulness and emotional intimacy. Support for each partner in their individual, independent endeavours.
There are times when human failings and unruly, instinctual urges are best dealt with in a demonstrative, decisive manner - when the avoiding, gentle, pleading, hoping, or touchy-feely approaches are not good enough. This demonstrative response may range from a clear instruction or look ,through a sharp whack on the bottom, to more rigorous disciplinary action- perhaps including corporal punishment which at the time is overwhelmingly painful and distressing for the recipient. Furthermore, some women feel most balanced, most secure, most protected, and most feminine when they are subject to a firm, principled, disciplinary arrangement from their loving man. This includes women whose behaviour rarely if ever necessitates disciplinary action. This includes women who readily admit that without their loving man's strenuous disciplinary efforts, she would tear the relationship to pieces. These women are not downtrodden - they include independent-minded lawyers, doctors and managers who have the respect, trust and often the obedience of those they work with in the world outside their home.
In addition to genuine leadership and discipline with in loving man-woman relationship, there may be great benefits in playing with some of these themes. But while rigour and play can often be fruitfully combined, there are dangers in unknowingly playing at things which really must be approached very seriously.
Some women extol the virtues of complete subservience and obedience to their man - but I and many others consider this to be over the top and perhaps dangerously unquestioning. Each person has their strengths and weaknesses - and these change from time to time. If, at a certain point in time, one partner is sane,alert and wise and the other is not - then its they who should be leading!
Some couples think of the words "submission" and "dominance" in their understanding of the loving disciplinary or leadership arrangement they seek. Others don't feel the needs for these words. In recent decades the words "submission", "domination" and "power" have been falsely equated with weakness, bullying and selfish abuse of power respectively. But it is healthy and desirable to submit to a leader who you respect and trust - a leader who protects you, cherishes you and brings out the best in you. Likewise, the leader should be dominant and use power for these purposes. (But such discussion should not extend into uncritical celebration of roles and reputations, which could degenerate into support for false leadership.)
On the 1HouseholdDiscipline mailing list (see link at top of page) "submission" and many other matters are discussed. We (that is, those who contribute to the discussions) are adamant that submission and dominance should not be confused with notions of inequality or differences in worth. Of course women and men, on average, are not the "same" - as "equal" is sometimes understood to mean. Both sexes, on average, have different strengths and weaknesses - and individual differences are probably more significant still. There is great individual variation from the average too.
The man-woman dance typically involves dominance and submission, testing and decisive response, strength, frailty and tenderness.In the last few decades of the 20th century, certain facets of humanity were denied and suppressed. Now it is time to rehabilitate some aspects of the man-woman dance which are valuable and often essential to many couples: the aspects of man-woman relationships concerning spanking and discipline, and all the communication, closeness, trust, laughter, hard work and betterment they can facilitate.
There are powerful reasons why in recent decades discipline and spanking have often been falsely equated with tyranny and abuse. Tremendous suffering has occurred at the hands of tyrants - both the masters of nations and the men and women who diminish, terrorise and harm their loved ones and family. An almost ubiquitous over-reaction to all this horror - such as the work of Hitler, Stalin and perpetrators of domestic violence - has been to recoil from any suggestion that one person may be justified in taking forceful action when intervening in the life of another. But this has lead to distortions in our understanding of human needs and failings, because many people - for reasons which include our evolutionary inheritance - both want and need an interventionist disciplinary arrangement in order to be happy and to be their best selves. The denial of this aspect of humanity has resulted in a pattern of estrangement and breakdown in loving relationships and consequently to an epidemic of divorce and destruction of good family life.
It has been said (I can't remember by whom) that what made communism so dangerous was that it was a form of tyranny which attracted the support of good people. Communism (a supposedly benevolent state of society which was never achieved - it was an ideal to which communist states purportedly worked towards) was a form of state intervention in human relations which was intended to free all people from the problems caused by other systems of government. Communism failed because it did not properly match human needs and because as a one-party state, it had no feedback mechanisms to protect it from corruption. Many of communism's supporters were highly motivated individuals who justified their intervention in other people's lives on the grounds of the benefits it would bring those people. So the protagonists of what ultimately became oppression would persevere despite the protests of those who they were supposedly benefiting, because the perpetrators "knew best" and because their long-term goals justified the unpleasant short-term means. (This analogy is instructive for my purposes. The truth of communism is much more complex, and in many countries, it was arguably a better system, for a while at least, than the alternatives of feudalism, colonialism or corrupt capitalism.) Therefore there is grave danger in promoting Domestic Discipline (DD) - another active, potentially forceful intervention in other people's lives, for their own long-term benefit - particularly since this intervention may be driven askew by unacknowledged erotic passions. The fact that many people, including myself, propose DD for honourable reasons should not lead to complacency. It is arguable that the initial goals of communism, national socialism (in Germany, to restore order, honour and prosperity from the wreckage and shame of the Great War), the crusades and the inquisitions (to save people from heresy and the devil) were also honourable and that some of the people who drove these campaigns were good people trying to make the world a better place.
It is absolutely vital that any rehabilitation of discipline and spanking in the home, where it may be conducted without moderating influences of others, be protected against degenerating into something terrible, something the opposite of its original conception. DD aims to maximise harmony and bring out the best in people according to their own long term goals - where those goals are chosen with freedom and wisdom, not under pressure of fashion, fear or indoctrination. Though I believe that by the end of this decade DD will be a relatively common, respected and uncontentious aspect of life, I caution against promoting DD as a fashion, as the next big thing or as a much needed whack on the posterior for the excesses of feminism. No system of beliefs is entirely resistant to degradation when propagated by empty-headed people who lack critical faculties and broader frame of reference. To think of DD in a self-righteous manner, as if everyone should practice it or as if all challenges to it deserve no respect, would be an over-reaction and would provide fertile ground for DD (or what people fervently believe to be DD) growing out of control and blighting many lives.
Hopefully, most people will clearly recognise the dangers of a disciplinary system going off the rails - and will not use DD's appropriateness in certain circumstances as a basis for a simplistic rejection of all other approaches and counter-arguments.
I don't promote discipline or spanking as an absolute a goal in itself. I see DD and spanking as a bundle of principles and often effective practices which are perplexing and fascinating and which link to other aspects of life. This web of life - and DD's part in it - has common elements for us all and significant differences between one couple and the next. No-one fully understands it. We are all on the case. Many successful systems in Nature result from the creative tension between two or more relatively simple systems. The resulting composite system is much more complex than the sum of its parts. A single neurone is a highly complex, dynamic system with multiple internal feedback processes keeping it normally on the edge of its triggering threshold. The brain, which is but one part of ourselves, is the result of the creative tension between a hundred billion neurones, each connecting to 10,000 other neurones, many of them changing themselves as we learn.
As part of the creative tension, partnership and dance between man and woman, there is a puzzling bundle of stuff - discipline and spanking - which can be used for both pleasure and for punishment. This bundle can contribute some special spices to life and it can be an essential technique for correcting potentially disastrous failings of individuals and relationships. But it is a tangle of playful and functional principles and practices which we should not become obsessed with. For those starved of a good spanking and much needed discipline, the subject is engrossing - but I believe that once it has been well explored, it will become a fruitful but not dominant part of many people's lives.
Here is a front-page article from The Age (Melbourne's major broadsheet newspaper) on 15 August 2001, by The Guardian's Fiachra Gibbons , writing from Edinburgh, entitled:
Men and boys are the silent victims of the sex war: Lessing
While this is no doubt true, I don't think this guilt-inducing aspect of the "war" is providing any benefit to women, other than perhaps short-term satisfaction of an urge to test and provoke. The arsehole men who are the real threat to women won't be affected much by this guilt campaign - but the men who are trying to be their best, who are trying to be loving, supportive partners and fathers, wind up being confused and emasculated. I believe that this guilt campaign and other "excesses of feminism" are contrary to the basic goals of truthfulness and equal opportunity - and constitute a mass-expression of test the man's resolve. I think it is a test which, so far, us men have collectively failed - because we have too often let such accusations go unchallenged.
A web site devoted to Doris Lessing is http://lessing.redmood.com . The original article is here and responses to it include letters and others: 1 , 2 . Comments include that "I have never met any creature as vile as most of the men in Doris Lessing's books." and " Lessing never supported Women's Liberation. Why attempt to mislead those who may never have known this, presenting her as a feminist icon? Lessing was already telling women in her classic The Golden Notebook (1962) that they needed 'to build up a man as a man because real men become fewer and fewer and we are frightened, trying to create men'."
Feminist author Doris Lessing says men are the new silent victims in the sex war, continually demeaned and insulted by women without a whimper of protest.
Lessing, author of The Grass is Singing and The Golden Notebook , said feminism now housed a "lazy and insidious" culture that revelled in flailing men.
She told the Edinburgh Book Festival on Monday that boys were being weighed down by guilt about crimes of their sex, while energy which could be used in pursuit of proper child care was being spent on the pointless humiliation of men.
The 81-year-old author, who was born in Persia, said she had become increasingly shocked at the "unthinking and automatic rubbishing of men which is now so part of our culture that it is hardly even noticed" . Feminism had achieved much for women but "why did this have to be at the cost of men?" (The Guardian article is more expansive and includes the quote: "Great things have been achieved through feminism. We now have pretty much equality at least on the pay and opportunities front, though almost nothing has been done on child care, the real liberation.")
"We have many wonderful, clever, powerful women everywhere, but what is happening to men?"
"I was in a class of nine- and 10-year-olds, girls and boys, and this young woman was telling these kids that the reason for wars was the innately violent nature of men." she said. "You could see the little girls, fat with complacency and conceit while the little boys sat there crumpled, apologising for their existence, thinking this was going to be the pattern of their lives."
Lessing said the teacher tried to "catch my eye, thinking I would approveof this rubbish". "This kind of thing is happening in schools all over the place and no one says a thing." she said. "It has become a kind of religion that you can't criticise because then you become a traitor to the great cause, which I am not."
"It is time we began to ask who are these women who continually rubbish men. The most stupid, ill-educated and nasty woman can rubbish the nicest, kindest and most intelligent man and no one protests.
"Men seem to be so cowed that they can't fight back, and it is time they did."
Lessing claimed that much of the "great energy" whipped up by feminism had"been lost in hot air and fine words (now switching to the more expansive Guardian version . . . ) when we should have been concentrating on changing laws. "We have got the pay but only real equality comes when child care is sorted out and it hasn't been yet, well not for those who really need it anyway".
Lessing also revealed she is not going to write a third volume of her autobiography because she did not want to offend so "many great and eminent people by reminding them of their silliness. I just can't be bothered, to be honest".
Here are some extracts from the "Intro" which is linked to below . These are items which I consider to be of such importance that everyone interested in this field should be aware of them.
First, some comments from family therapist the late Dr Robin Skynner - who died in late 2000, and who is best known for his two books with John Cleese Families and How to Survive Them and Life and How to Survive It. Following these, a quote from a gentleman on how he sees occasional disciplinary shows of strength as essential for the harmony of his marriage.
(See my note, added in June 2004, about women who had lousy fathers and the insights in "Families and How to Survive Them". Also some misspelt search-engine bait: Dr Robin Skinner, Dr Robyn Skynner, Dr Robyn Skinner.)
Robin Skynner quotes a question to his wife and her response:
Why is it that you want us to go after you so hard and really pin you against the wall?And she said, "Well, can't you see?" - very impatiently - "can't you see? It's obvious. When you do that we come into our own. We don't have to worry. We can use our energy and aggression and be what we really are and not worry about whether you can take it or not. We become totally free."
Here is the full text of a short article regarding Robin Skynner and his politically incorrect views on relationships. This is from Melbourne newspaper The Age 24 May 1996 and was written by Catriona Bonfiglioni, in Wellington.
Men must stand up for themselves instead of cowering in a corner, hoping the women's movement disappears like a bad dream, and international family therapy pioneer, Dr Robin Skynner, said yesterday.Women around the world were waiting for men to engage in the debate and fight back like real men, Dr Skynner told the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists conference in Wellington.
"For the family to work well, men still need to retain some aspects of the traditional male role and fathering functions," he said. "Women seem to desire this too, and appear to feel sexually repelled, or certainly not attracted, if the man ceases to retain some element of his assertiveness."
Dr Skynner, who has been practising and teaching family therapy for more than 30 years, said men have evolved to be violent in defence of their families and tribes and while hunting food..
But the industrial revolution, the hydrogen bomb and the women's movement had severely undermined men's confidence and curtailed their traditional role.
"Performance of the male role no longer carries with it the high self-esteem which was once associated with it."
In family therapy, women were encouraged to spell out their men's faults, and for a while the men would stonewall but eventually fight back.
"Women were always pleased when their men at least fought back and became men."
Letting the anger out also freed up the positive feelings they had for each other and often revived their sex life.
"Women don't want men to fizzle away," Dr Skynner said. "They want men to be men still. They want a man who's a man, and sticks up for himself in more ways than one. If he doesn't they despise him. That's what men have to do, they have to fight it out."
Men should get out more and bond with other men so they are not so dependent on women she (sic) said.
One gentleman's modus-operandi
This gentleman is happily married, with children. He has nothing to do with the ongoing discussions about DD on web sites and mailing lists. As far as I know, this is the only time he discussed his disciplinary actions with anyone. He stumbled across my "rambling treatise" and objected to what he perceived as my focus at the time (1996/97) on the erotic aspects of spanking. Since then the focus has changed somewhat - towards discipline, motivation and harmony. When I explained myself better, he replied, stating for the first time that he did in fact spank his beloved wife on rare occasions. The following text is reproduced with permission from his email.
He elucidates a number of key points, such as the need for warnings - rather than there being any surprise about a spanking being administered.
It is exactly the same for adults as for children. Basically you
are introducing an artificial, but safe, negative consequence to
their behavior.It is delivered out of love, not hate or anger, to point out a
dangerous behavior when the real consequence is far less apparent
but will be more devastating (as for a child pulling on the cord
that leads to a kettle, as for a partner who thinks she can give
you an ear ache, and expect you to hang around to take it).Except in life threatening danger, in which case you save, not
spank, it should never be a surprise. Several clear warnings should
precede, and in the end it is their choice.The difference in the adult case is that they are generally
speechless at your audacity to presume the authoritative role and
the wisdom to judge, which is a bigger statement than the spanking
itself. Once having chosen this route, however, you must not
flinch a fraction under the barrage that is likely to follow or you
are finished forever. NEVER apologise, the only response can be
like "if you don't shut up, you will get another dose".Although you are kind and flexible, in major doses, let there be no
In my experience, and as you point out, many women actually like
misunderstandings about the fact that you DO have the final say.
this, respect it and are attracted as a result. They like to feel
protected, and the odd display of strength around the house
reinforces this. Few will admit this.
These 260 words should be studied closely by every man! This man mentioned no sexual connection for him or his wife in these actions - but that does not mean there was none. For him, enforcing discipline was an essential, functional matter - unpleasant but occasionally absolutely necessary.
| intro.html | Introduction
This is a rough, shorter and easier to read version of the so-called rambling "treatise" which was the main part of my spanking / Gentlemanly Art site since late 1996. It grew and grew and got out of control. At the beginning of 2001 I pruned it! There's more work to do - but its better than it was. Be sure to read the home page of this site and the above discussion of harmony before reading the introduction or any further items below. The introduction covers these issues:
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| advice.html | Advice to women on
avoiding dangerous men
Written by a woman, with some notes from myself. Many women learn too late about impressive, charming men who turn out to be dangerous and abusive. This includes some notes on an important aspect of personality - where a person takes their pleasures. Does the person take pleasure purely in their own self, or do they also take pleasure in other's pleasure, health and success? I also discuss men who have been traumatised by a previous woman partner. These men may find it difficult to relax and be generous and trusting - but this does not mean they are rotten to the core.
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| fathers.html | Quotes from Victoria
Secunda's book: Women and their Fathers
These quotes and my notes discuss the distinction between authoritative and authoritarian (domineering) men. As it is with fathers so it is with life partners: an authoritative man is the best and the authoritarian (the bully, the tyrant) is the worst.
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| house-test.html | Testing the masculine protective "house" to make sure
it is robust
Unless it is explained to them, most men have no idea that many or most women consciously and unconsciously test their man's resolve. It is an infuriating business, because it hurts and destabilises the man - and his attempts to comply with the woman's demands and desires only lead to more unhappiness and to loss of respect. From his point of view, it is simple: if you love someone, you always try to make them happy. So when he finds his beloved woman systematically making him miserable, he is likely to conclude she doesn't love him any more. Many women have written to me about their testing ways. They are generally blind at the time to the hurt they cause and to the fact that their man does not deserve this and has no way of understanding her rotten behaviour. There are clearly intense instincts at work. This piece is my attempt at an analogy of what it feels like for the woman to be doing this. The analogy is to help us men understand the feelings and drives which lead women to this often corrosive behaviour. This page contains some questions I hope
some women will help me with, and the best of the answers. I also
discuss
some evolutionary thinking about testing and about instincts which I
think
lead some women to develop unreasonable bitterness for previous male
partners. I did some updates in January 2007, regarding caffeine, PMS
and synchronised menstrual cycles. Sorry this is rather poorly
structured. I don't have time at present to rewrite this
material, or other parts of the site, as I would like.
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| play.html | Play spanking!
Playful spanking is often erotic and always enjoyable for both partners . . . though there can be moments of gasping and regret after a particularly resounding whack or volley of smacks. Sometimes, a spanking would be a disappointment if the stinging and hurt didn't overwhelm for a moment. But light to moderate, rhythmic, concerted spanking can generate heat, tingling and the most delicious sensations, without really hurting at all. Play may involve fanciful scenarios entwined with some very real and memorable spanking, stinging, "bare skin meets hairbrush or horsewhip" . . . delicate and robust sensations. Note well the contrast between the hard, determined Whack!! of the firm manly hand and the tender, smarting skin, which but a moment before had been draped in the finest satin. Celebrate that one is strong, wise and in command while the other is trusting, sensitive and receptive. Roles can be invented and enacted. Ordinary household items take on new life as props and even chastisement implements . Traditions are established and reaffirmed. The kitchen table becomes the headmaster's or headmistress' desk-cum-punishment-bench. Chairs, ladders, beds and tables are pressed into service for the purposes of bondage and as firm supports for he-or-she-who-must-be-spanked to present themselves upon. Fantasy is the order of the day and life is lived as it is in musicals. Theatre, ritual, aerobic exercise, grand opera are the modes of being. External "reality" ceases to be. Play and rhythm . . . Offenbach's Can Can . . . . dress-up dresses and scanty panties . . . stern, serious, lectures for the needy recipient before her (or his) long overdue appointment with The Strap . . . the curvaceous woman with the glowing bottom struggling and finding herself restrained, compelled to accept a dose of thrilling medicine that derives much of its potency from the way her protests are quelled by her man's superior strength. For a long time I have been meaning to write play spanking - but I never got around to it. Several women requested I write something, so I set one of them a homework assignment: an essay about her fantasies! Her work is exemplary and I have awarded her a Gold Star. Here is her essay, followed by a few contributions of my own. I am keen to receive more such contributions, from men and women. Write to me at ../contact/ . If it would help, I will set you a homework assignment too!
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| therapeutic.html | Therapeutic spanking -
and how to ask for it
I believe it is vital that any woman who is subject to a disciplinary framework backed up by punishment spankings should also be able to ask for the playful kind. At times, many women consciously or unconsciously want to be spanked. They should not be in a position where they have to act hurtfully or destructively in order that this desire be satisfied. Play spanking can be a lot of fun, and is typically highly erotic. It is good practice for the spanker too! Play spanking does not detract from the effectiveness of the properly administered disciplinary variety. A therapeutic spanking is not specifically for fun, but it should be very satisfying. While it may feel like a punishment at times, it is not a punishment at all. A therapeutic spanking can be dreamily languid and sensual too. It is for the benefit of the woman and the couple in general. It is a communion, a special time of togetherness. Here is what I wrote about therapeutic spanking on the 1HouseholdDiscipline list in December 2000. It was very warmly received by some women on the list! You can follow the discussion which this was a part of here: http://groups.yahoo.com/messages/1HouseholdDiscipline/4422 . (You need to join the list to view the archives. See the 1HouseholdDiscipline link on the navigation bar at the top of this page.)
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| punishment.html | Punishment spankings
I think there are three distinct varieties of spanking: play, therapeutic and disciplinary types. (Some women would add "maintenance" spankings - those you get "whether you need them or not". Perhaps these are a ritualistic spanking, related to play and the therapeutic approach.) Men: hopefully, you won't need to punish your loving partner. A sharp whack on the tail is pretty easy to administer, but it is a difficult and lonely business seriously punishing her. However, experience shows that quite a few of the most wonderful women have occasional failings - such as a proclivity to test, disturb, provoke and confound their loving man. A few admit to systematic emotional abuse and physical attacks. Some women admit with remorse to these violations of love, respect and trust. A few women show no sign of guilt - just a deep disgust that their man puts up with it. Other failings include dangerous conduct such as smoking or excessive consumption of alcohol. If this sort of rot happens, you must respond decisively. You must show her you are not deterred by anything she can throw at you and that you will not tolerate her being destructive, hurtful or dangerous. You will not tolerate her or anyone else threatening your relationship. You expect her to be her best - just as she expects the best of you. In the long-term, she expects you to do all the above and to hold her to high principles. But in the short term, she may resist and fight your disciplinary measures with every trick, distraction and manoeuvre she can summon. Keep your eye on the long term. Weather the storm. You must prevail! Here is an updated version of a long piece I wrote in response to a woman on the 1HouseholdDiscipline list who asking me about real punishments. My experience in this field is limited and no-doubt a great deal more could be written about this challenging, lonely and at the time typically resented task, but for now, here is some advice. Hopefully, the more you know about this difficult field the less likely your partner is to give you cause to punish her. This 8,900 word piece also includes discussion on:
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More on punishment - spankings, lectures and
lines
This is an extended version of a second piece I wrote for the 1HouseholdDiscipline discussion list, followed by some writing by a woman on the effectiveness of such a punishment - and how it helped her. She was punished, very hard, for good reason (by her own admission) with a body brush like that pictured to the left. (This piece also has a link to a site where you can purchase such a brush.) Some women responded appreciatively to my piece on the list - writing that they their husband had read it and that they were now on their best behaviour! Remember that I and most other fine men do not want to punish anyone, especially our loving woman. But if we have to, we will do a damn good job of it. We will bring every physical, emotional and intellectual fibre of our being to the task, in order that we don't have to do it very often. Many women never behave in ways which requires punishment - this is the ideal arrangement for most couples. (By the way, despite the effort I put into this punishment business, I would be happiest with a woman with no disciplinary problems.) However, some women may be tempted to behave so badly as to leave their man with no option but to enforce robust corrective action - including, but not limited to, harsh corporal punishment. A few such women seem to be only satisfied once they have done something bad and really felt their man's determined efforts to help her be better. (See a woman's comments in the house-test.html page. She wrote: I need to feel his power and strength as a man because this makes me feel more like a woman. It is somewhat of a circle with no end in sight.) I hope that rather than find out the hard way, that such a woman will realise from her man's:
To this end - to protect against damaging misconduct - it may be a good idea for the couple to discuss exactly what punishments may be imposed in the event of misconduct. Still, some women are really curious and are not satisfied by mere talk. They still don't really feel that their man has what it takes. In such cases, a "demonstration punishment" might prove instructive - to give a taste of the corrective action she would be subject to in the event of serious misconduct. Men: when it comes to serious punishments or demonstration punishments - well beyond a simple whack on the tail and good talking to - you must not disappoint her! You need to impose your will, to dominate your woman, to leave her in no doubt that you are strong and committed enough to prevail no matter what cries, protests, shrieks and the like she tries to distract you with. Of course, you must be doing this for the right reasons - for her own good, to protect health and safety, and to protect your relationship. Be sure to read the house-test.html piece on how many women see their loving relationship as a protective "house" is strong enough to protect against the greatest outside threats. So it must be strong enough to withstand all their efforts to break it. This piece covers:
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| anne.html | Anne is spanked for the first time - by her "Daddy"
Some women crave caring discipline and a "Daddy" they never had. Anne found hers at the age of 28. This beautiful account first appeared in 1998 on Usenet newsgroup soc.sexuality.spanking - http://www.amythest.com/sss/resource/ .
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| bride.html | A Bride's Test
A real-life story of a newly-wed woman testing her husband's resolve - and how he responded patiently and decisively. Written by the newly-wed some twenty years later.
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| lust.html | Amazing Method to make your Man Spank you Lustily!
Ladies! This simple and endearing technique is happily free of the brattiness, unpleasantness and complications of the lesser approaches many women adopt to the common problem of rousing your gentle, loving man to become a fine Spanking Gentleman.
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The 1HouseholdDiscipline mailing list was a lively and fascinating discussion list - a "group" at Yahoo Groups. The archives remain as a searchable reference for anyone who wishes to join, but there are no further discussions on 1HouseholdDiscipline. I needed to concentrate on other things (earning my living and writing my book) and could not continue moderating (with two other moderators) such a busy discussion list.
The successor to 1HouseholdDiscipline is Discipline and Harmony - operated by Lucy and Chani, who helped me moderate 1HouseholdDiscipline. Please join Discipline and Harmony so you can read the archives and new messages, and contribute to discussions. The homepage is here: DandH/ .
To read the messages in the archives, as linked to below, please join 1HouseholdDiscipline - the homepage for the list is here: 1hd/ .
Here are some links to discussions on this list. Most of them are discussions I contributed to, but not all. In all cases there is a link to the 1HouseholdDiscipline archives at Yahoo Groups. These are of the form 1HouseholdDiscipline/yyyy where "yyyy" is a message number in the archives. This link leads to the start of a discussion within the archives, so you can select which messages you want to read from there.
In some cases, there is a link to a page at this site - which contains what I wrote, and in a few cases some of other list members' writing. These are of the form 1h-xxxx.html. These may be edited versions of several posts and contain updated information and extra links.
To open such a link in a separate browser window (this goes for any link on any web page, not just these) use the right trackball/mouse button on the link and select the "Open in new window" item on the menu which appears. On a Windows computer, to cycle back to the first browser window - the one you are using to read this page - hold down your "Alt" key, press "Tab" (potentially several times to select one of any number of application windows) and release both "Tab" and "Alt" when you have selected the window you want to switch to.
| 1HouseholdDiscipline/159 | Testing to see if
your man will enforce discipline
Mon, 31 Jan 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/173 | "Power",
leadership and benefits for the man
Wed, 02 Feb 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/306 | Re: ideas
on "sentences"
Tue, 08 Feb 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/334 | Michelle's
wonderful approaches
Thu, 10 Feb 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/467 | Re: DD - Nature or
Nurture
Thu, 17 Feb 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/491 | Re: Book: "The
Surrendered Wife"
Fri, 18 Feb 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/536 | Re: A logical flaw
in D&D
Sun, 20 Feb 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/1792 | Re:
[1HouseholdDiscipline] nagging
Tue, 02 May 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/1833 | Analysis - was
Nagging
Sat, 06 May 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/3824 | "Navigator",
"follower" and gifts
Mon, 18 Sep 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/3830 | Re: Trust
Tue, 19 Sep 2000
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/3852
1h-addiction.html
(Contains extra links to sites on cannabis addiction and the psychological effects of coffee.) |
More on addiction
Thu, 21 Sep 2000 to Fri, 06 Oct 2000
In January 2007, I wrote something more about caffeine and PMS in the house-test page.
By Martha Blanchard, ca. 1955, Saturday Evening Post |
| 1HouseholdDiscipline/4388 | "Got my first real
spanking last night".
Mon, 4 Dec 2000 This is an action-packed and insightful piece, dealing with testing the man's resolve, PMS and how the woman's husband apologises for letting her run riot in the past.
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| 1HouseholdDiscipline/4447 | A weekly spanking
ritual with operatic overtones
Thu, 14 Dec 2000 A man reports, with artistic license - rather than in a concrete way - his weekly spanking arrangement for his wife "whether she needs it or not". If read in a literal fashion, it might be thought that he is describing the opposite of discipline and harmony, but I think this is a lyrical description of an arrangement with many emotional resonances. His vision of marital harmony is not for everyone, but I believe his approach achieves the harmony goals (which is why we are interested in serious discipline) generally by use of play and ritualised discipline-like activities - which are a lot more pleasant than the real thing!
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Finally, my Spanking Gentleman's Creed is a work in progress too. The creed is a suggestion - a starting point, not an edict!
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Here creed.html is a discussion of how this creed has developed. Please make your suggestions!
© Mr Fondman and the real person behind this pseudonym 1996 -
2007, apart from quotations from other
people.
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